Breaking ITT

[KuJoe]

Ut oh! Logic and reasoning have been introduced to the topic... implosion imminent!

[doniker]

Well I think word of mouth that ITT is a ripoff is the biggest deterent from future people getting hosed.

It was so strange, during the 9 months I attended ITT most of the students I talked to were unhappy with ITT and all we really did was sit around and badmouth the school.

Most of my fellow classmates were just as or more frustrated by the whole situation but we didn't know what to do, we knew we were a bunch of suckers that got fucked hard.

I spent $19,000 + interest (that grows $4 per day, everyday) and hardly learned a thing....I wasn't going to continue handing these fuckers megacash + interest for there joke of an "education".

[Warfare]

I really do believe an impact is being made here. After all this is corporate greed and lust for profit we are talking about. MBAsmart do you really believe that the executives in Indiana have not reviewed this website, talked about corporate strategies to minimize the growth of similar websites? And I wouldn’t be surprised if they have looked into the possibility of identifying and banning people that are supporting/posting on this website. A corporation will take this sort of thing very seriously. What would happen to ITT if were to develop a poor reputation in a community and it started growing unchecked? When I was in high school I initially overlooked ITT because two girls told me that ITT was a 2.0 GPA school. This sort of thing does have an impact on ITT. Hopefully, they can learn something from it. And what of silent readers that have chosen to attend community college instead of ITT because of some of the things posted here. Somehow I think 6 students is an understatement. Anyone that researches ITT responsibly will come across these posts.

[KuJoe]

It's kind of scary how a lot of people on here don't understand how the real world works.

[MBAsmart]

Warfare - I am curious now as you said that you originally overlooked ITT because someone told you it was a 2.0 GPA school? So did you attend it or not? IF you did, did you have a 2.0 GPA and think well so much for a real college I guess it is ITT for me, or did something else change your mind about it to start it up anyways.

While I understand that the salesmen at ITT duped many into attending, it was the student's final choice to attend or not to attend based on their own research as you pointed out. Some people will do the research and some people won't. Other colleges regardless of whether they are for profit or not have students that spend thousands of dollars and never get a job using their degree. Some of them even have complaint sites like this one. The difference is what about the people who do something with their education and get a better career for themselves. I got my MBA and can't say that I learned a lot of new stuff that experience hasn't already given me, however I have the degree now and that is the main point of any schooling. It's what you do afterwards that matters. Do you sit on your ass and bitch because the school didn't hand you a high paying job? I'm sure you had perfect attendance, did more then just the work in the classroom, pushed the skills that you already had to be better then everyone else, and continue to improve on them, while those dimwits at ITT said - damn - you just don't have what it takes so I think I will bring you down to a lower level.

and perhaps KuJoe could explain how the real world works for the lot of us that don't seem to get it.

[KuJoe]

Actually you pointed it out already MBAsmart, ITT Tech, just like 90% of the other school in the country, does not give you a degree and a schedule with your interview to your dream job. It takes A LOT of effort on the student's part to get what they want, ITT just offers you an edge over those with a high school diploma just like every other school. Not to mention don't you think that the current economy has a much bigger effect on the employment options than what school you go to?

Lastly, the only people complaining about the job placement of ITT are the ones WHO HAVEN'T GRADUATED. I can understand not everybody who graduates gets the job they want or even a decent job they were aiming for, but how can those without a degree from ITT complain about the job placement and honestly believe it's ITT's fault?

And I also find this comment funny:
{quote=Warfare]
MBAsmart do you really believe that the executives in Indiana have not reviewed this website, talked about corporate strategies to minimize the growth of similar websites?[/quote]

If you can name one corporation that would not do the same thing I'd be impressed. A company's main goal is profit, if they didn't invest time and money into increasing profit they should just shutdown and consider their business plan a failure.

[sevenalive]

KuJoe, 44K or 88K does not give you an edge over an HS. Infact ITT doesn't even require a HS Diploma or a GED, of course that might have changed now, ill have to look into it again, but 2 years ago they did not.

I complain about their whole career department. They still post job offers and other stuff before you graduate, thats what i complain about. I been to their career fair, which is a complete joke. Graduated? That's a strong word for someone who actually finishes ITT, more like awarded a MS Word Degree printed on plain white paper. Seriously, you spend all that money and they have their degree look like a 4 minute job in MS Word. It looks really fake, well i guess it suits them because their education is.

Most employers will turn away ITT Tech, Devry, UoP or any other For Profit degree's. You can get hired at a tech support company making 12 bucks an hour, but you can do that without spending money on a worthless itt degree.

The bottom line, the quality of education is subpar than community colleges and state universities. They charge 3 times the cost of other schools and they do not offer anything of value to justify the cost. We didn't get what we paid for, they lied, manipulated, and forged documents.

My FFA in henderson manipulated my FAFSA and my parents tax documents to maximize government funding. They were under investigation for that, but the justice department dismissed it. If you look at my "Web of lies" post, you will see a few government officials involved in ITT, mostly being an executive. Also you can link Devry, ITT, and Waste Management all together! So it isn't a surprise they were found innocent.

Recently the government passed the Fair Tuition Act, which limits gov. funding, in order to lower tuition costs. Of course, ITT, Devry, UoP, Collins and the like hate this. To counteract this act, last oct 07, ITT sent letters to all of its "students" telling them to visit financial aid immediately. I got this letter and they pulled 08's funding and used it for 07. They had me do a 08 FAFSA on the ITT website (illegal). I thought this was very suspicious, 2 graduates from Princeton and Columbia confirmed several of my suspicions, as i have done a few interviews with them.

In Feb 08, ITT sent an internal memo out to its administration telling them to get as many students in the seats as they can, telling them to ignore the fact they cannot secure funding. Then after 90 days, if they don't have funding, they will send them a $5,000 bill! The students who started in the March 08 quarter that i talked to, did not know this fact, and they did not have any meetings with FA. Since then they got the hell out before they got a huge bill.
I have a copy of this memo somewhere on the site. So in June, there were probably a bunch of students who got fucked over due to ITT's deceptive practices.

Sallie Mae no longer provides loans to ITT Tech, they dropped their ass. ITT tried to get citi bank, but they won't approve the students. Now they might have another loan provider, but they didn't as of April 23rd. Since i don't attend the SCAM anymore i don't know if they got one.

The investors don't give a shit if ITT is a scam, because they make shitloads of money from them, since so many don't care or fail to see it is a scam (like you KuJoe).

Believe me the ITT (ESI) Executives know about this site, PR's have visited this site, and ITT is probably monitoring this site. Now I am just waiting for a call offering me a bribe to shut it down lol.

If somehow you like ITT, probably because your a lazy ass that doesn't give a shit about academics or going to a reputable school, then you don't deserve to complain when you don't get what you want. I did very well in HS, and did very well in College, but it was the circumstances that led me to ITT, which i regret everyday.

Even if you love ITT (seriously really take the time, open your eyes and think about it), you cannot justify the cost. They do not offer one thing better or different than any other school.

Smaller class sizes (well thats because most ppl know its a scam), you can get this in a CC or even State schools.
Smaller S to T ratio - Why does that even matter anyway? I have yet to see a valid reason why this even matters to the education at all. Plus this is also at a CC
Cheaper - I LOL at this one, for some reason people think ITT is cheaper. Its 3x more expensive than state schools, and 5-7x more expensive than CCs.

ITT does not offer a range of classes you can take, you don't have a choice.
They say they work around your schedule, BULLSHIT. My entire Morning Class students were all switched to evenings w/o notice, explanation, or warning. We are all wondering WTF is up with this?!!!
ITT uses bullshit textbooks that don't exist outside ITT, many have errors of somekind, and a few are missing pages/chapters (econ book). I wonder if they take the misprints or damaged books. Plus they charge 4x then what the book is worth.

Oh and do i have to mention that your 44K to 88K degree is only worth something to ITT, no REAL school will accept it, and they don't accept their credits (except the very rate gen ed credit).
The only thing you get out of ITT is a 44K to 88K useless book collection and a sore ass. At least they could of given out KY Jelly when you sign those contracts. I have never been to a real school where you got to sign an "Enrollment Agreement" FUCK HOW CAN I HAVE BEEN SO STUPUID - That is what i wonder everynight.

So KuJoe, seriously how in the hell can you defend with deceptive and shady corporation.

[KuJoe]

LoL, I stopped reading after your first paragraph. I guess this is another situation where we can agree to disagree.

[sevenalive]

And that is the same reason you cannot see that ITT is a scam, you turn a blind eye to it. You refuse to see it.

Seriously if your going to defend ITT in every post someone makes and not see our argument, don't waste your time.

[KuJoe]

It's just not worth arguing against opinions and nonsense, you're "facts" and "sources" are laughable at best and with no first hand experience you're arguments are baseless.

[sevenalive]

What the hell are you talking about? i went to ITT for 1.5 years, you haven't even been there for 6 months. Why do you continue to come here then? The only answers you give "Not at my campus" which is the biggest piece of laughable bullshit i ever read.

You are the sole minority here that thinks ITT is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Your failure to see the facts proves how ignorant you are. There are 4x more facts on this site then opinions alone, we have several articles in this site to help backup what we way. Most of what i and most of this site's member's say is FACT.

You said you work for Ray James Financial, if i had to guess you are here to help neutralize the tone of this site, probably because your company or yourself has stock in ITT, seriously i wouldn't doubt it. The people who invest in ITT only want one thing, MONEY, yes ITT makes money off of several different types of people, none of which deserve or need to be there. The investors don't give a shit, unless the company turns out like Enron and fucks them over.

[kayot]

KuJoe - Please explain why our arguments are baseless and yours are not. If your not going to read a whole post, then please refrain from posting against said post. It is simply rude and unfounded.

Back on track. Today I was passing by ITT Tech and the place was vandalized (Not too severally mind you). I wasn't brave enough to do it, but it gave me an interesting idea. I think sometime in the next few weeks I'm going to set out some spray paint cans and a few riot-encouraging tools around the ITT in plain view. I think the best time would be right as students let out. I figure, I can't leave posters out. May as well leave toys out for others to "play" with.

I know it's wrong, but the 52,000$ hole I'm paying my way out of gives me lots of time to think and reflect on the concept of right and wrong. It's wrong to rob someone. It's wrong to scam someone. It's wrong to provide false advertising. Yet with all these wrong things, ITT is rolling a major profit. Maybe whats wrong is what is needed in this case. So KuJoe, if you've managed to read this far without considering this laughable (Or while considering it laughable, which ever may be the case) you might want to tell your superiors about the wake of disaster that is forth coming. After all, we don't seem to grasp the real world as well as you do, even though your arguing on a web forum. Really, it's like winning the retard Olympics. You'll take gold, and be a hero, and be celebrated by many. But in the end, your still retarded.

[SheepToTheFleecing]

I am fairly confident that we are not breaking the laws of the United States. Truth is an absolute defense in the United States. Expressing an opinion is also okay I think. Wikipedia is a worldwide encyclopedia, not a guide to United States law.

Look man, if thoughts could kill, these evil bastards would have died thousands of times over by now. But this is about love, not hate. These people are hurting people everyday. It is their "9-to-5" to ruin people's futures and they are not going to stop until there is no longer a monetary profit or somebody stops them. Furthermore, it is not so much the employees as it is the system called ITT ESI. If the authorities are ignorant we must inform them. If they are lazy we must motivate them. Shame on you ITT Tech employees. God help us all.