What happened in the Meeting 11/21 - Tempe

[sevenalive]

Well i met those 2 guys who go to the tempe campus and like ITT. They basically ignored me and talked to other people, maybe they were nervous. Apparently he had a flyer of mine back in feb, don't know why he kept it that long.

We didn't discuss anything, they didn't seem interested. However they said there econ teachers name was Allan Smith.

They also said they had to go to class and they left, but then they went outside, didn't even drop off books in the classroom or anything. I don't know if this all means anything, but what if they were hired by ITT? I have no idea what they intended if they did that, and i do doubt they would, what would be the purpose.

I know that people get offended when you tell them ITT or any other for-profit is a scam, however i don't know why. Maybe they take it as an insult because they are spending 44 + 22K in interest for a shitty worthless 2 year degree? Its like those guys i told at my old job, they get all butt hurt, everyone tells them the same thing and they still don't want to believe it.

I would say once you do a year at ITT, you will start to see the truth, wake up, and smell the rotten scam that is upon you. All is that i ask, don't defend a corporation especially when your paying money to them. They see you as $$$, nothing more. I don't know why people are loyal to their employer either, they can/will fire your ass in a second without cause or having a thought. Take consideration on the content that is posted on this website and on many other sites.

These 2 guys were in there 30's, now i guess a real college would be weird for them, but i went to 2 community colleges and seen 30 year olds+ adults attending class. Don't think these scams are your only option, your limiting yourself and taking on a large debt in the process.

Anyway, if your thinking about attending ITT, Devry, UoP, or any other for-profit schools (apollo, nursing, etc) think twice and make a wise decision (the decision your looking for is not to attend).

If your already attending, get the hell out while your debt is low. If i would have gone out the first 1-2 months i was there, i would have a lot less debt than i have now and i wouldn't have wasted all that time.

[SheepToTheFleecing]

Consider it time well spent. Just being there may have convinced them. Even if they do all two years like you and I did, at least they will know that there was someone in the world who cared enough to try to help a couple of perfect strangers. I know that I am moved by your efforts.

If you had gotten out within your first two months, then there would be no ItTakesTime.com. Similarly, I would probably be arrogant and judgmental had I not been ruined financially by a criminal organization that operates with impunity and has commercials on TV and radio. The internet is also covered with their ads.

Listen, Se7en, this is important. You need to get an actual lawyer to publicly announce/admit that she is looking at the case so that we can give our evidence to her directly. Otherwise we have no way of knowing that you are not a shill who is only looking to get us to expose ourselves so that you and your goons can neutralize us. You do understand that, right? We don't know you from Adam. I apologize profusely for the accusation. (Just picture that "Admissions Representative" smiling in your face and lying through her teeth and introducing you to the overly pleasant Financial Aid person whose office you went to to sign away your chance of ever having actual career training (also a house, car, wife, proud parents, self respect, medical insurance, children, or whatever your particular case may be...)

My point is just remember that and you will never blame any of ITT Tech's victims for being distrustful.

Furthermore, never forget that vengeance is the Lord's. We need only keep doing what we are doing, one day at a time. We are only catchers in the rye.

Granted, the judicial system is only one metaphorical battlefront in the metaphorical war, but it may very well prove to be the most effective. (I doubt it. ITT has had decades of experience being sued and investigated. They are very practiced and they know all of the "players.") But you never know.

[Desert Shadow]

II do not think I ignored you; I did listen to a story that Dustin who attends and works at the school had to say I am sorry it was too funny to ignore. The flyer I had fell off the windshield as soon as I got on I-10 not sure about engima9 he was the one who told me about the site. The Econ teachers name was Allan Smith and I did double check his company on the web and they do high value insurance stuff so in his case he was not BSing us.
In addition, when you asked if we wanted to talk we said yeah outside not sure where you ended up going we waited about 10 mins for you. I would have placed my books in the classroom if it were open, since it was not we had to carry our books with us. Not sure where you get the idea that we work at the school I am 4 classes away from obtaining my BA degree I am not 30 and I have attended other college's and just did not like the setting. All I can speak for is my CJ instructors were quality tonight my instructor was an Arson investigator for Scottsdale PD and my Tuesday class I had a juvenile probation worker teach my juvenile justice class. I do have disagreements over certain things but generally, my experience has been pretty good.

[sevenalive]

Well i asked you if there was anything you would like to talk about, you guys said something about getting to class and left the breakroom. I thought we were done so i left. I guess just a misunderstanding, we can discuss anything here though.

Dustin, the weird guy in the LRC that always wears a blue shirt and cap? I don't think he even knows what happened, but i made a post about it on this site back in may. What did he say?

The 1 and only thing i miss about ITT (which has nothing to do with ITT at all). The break, me and my friend would go to QT once a class. Sometimes In n Out. The entire QT crew knew us. I don't go to qt that often now lol.

It was nice to network with fellow site members though and glad we could meet up. Too bad your not in CNS or SAP, i would like to know if a few of those teachers are still there.

I been to 2 campuses, Henderson and Tempe. When i transferred, i only did 2 qtr and my loan was at 8K. I only kept going because i didn't and couldn't make payments on it. There are a lot of valid and meaningful complaints about the school. Once of the biggest ones: The price does not equal the quality of education received. The public perception of ITT, Devry, and UoP is bad, so bad it's made fun of constantly on Family Guy and other shows. Employers feel the same way and there are reasons. Many of the reasons are on the site.

Since you say your almost done, might as well finish, but for the people who have been there less than a year, cut your loss and get out.

@Sheep i have no idea what your talking about in this paragraph:

Listen, Se7en, this is important. You need to get an actual lawyer to publicly announce/admit that she is looking at the case so that we can give our evidence to her directly. Otherwise we have no way of knowing that you are not a shill who is only looking to get us to expose ourselves so that you and your goons can neutralize us. You do understand that, right? We don't know you from Adam. I apologize profusely for the accusation. (Just picture that "Admissions Representative" smiling in your face and lying through her teeth and introducing you to the overly pleasant Financial Aid person whose office you went to to sign away your chance of ever having actual career training (also a house, car, wife, proud parents, self respect, medical insurance, children, or whatever your particular case may be...)

I don't know who "she" is and who are you addressing as a shill? I think you need to get your head checked if you honestly believe that i am working for ITT. Why must i do something, i already got the website and tried my best to get a lawfirm on board. Nobody is going to do it for you, how come your not contacting lawyers. Why must i do it all and you do nothing and reap the reward.

[SheepToTheFleecing]

@Se7en
(The word she is a pronoun. In that particular case, "she" refers to "an actual lawyer [who will] publicly announce/admit that she is looking at the case so that we can give our evidence to her directly.")

I think that if you read it a few more times you will understand it. (Or maybe) have someone else read it and tell you what they think it means. No matter. Oh, oops. I just found out that I have been using the word shill incorrectly. I think the words spy or saboteur would more accurately express what I was thinking. A little embarrassing, but no matter.

I just thought of the perfect word! (I hope I got it right this time. I was so sure about the word shill. (Sorry about that.)) The word is... <drumroll>... Judas. Here are two links to definitions. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/judas and http://jove.prohosting.com/mshambli/Uni ... DG/j/j.htm

Here are the points I was trying to make.
1. Because we were screwed over beyond anything we could have ever previously imagined, we are a paranoid lot. (ITT Tech employees, ITT Tech Alumni, any student who was there long enough to know they had been scammed, Sallie Mae, our federal and state governments, and the media (in particular my favorite radio DJ)... They all sold us up the river for money or failed us miserably.)

2. An anonymous figure (that's you) has started a website and is collecting information on us. (Our identities, what evidence we possess with which to prosecute ITT ESI, what exactly we THINK was wrong with our "career training," etc.)

3. I guess what I was trying to say is that if we had a public figure with a reputation at stake to whom we could confidentially reveal our incriminating evidence and our identities, then we would feel safe revealing said information.

Look man, you are the "messiah" of this movement. (I am paraphrasing the famous supposed CIA documents in which they explain how to neutralize the Black Nationalists. It was actually in a Rage Against the Machine song. But that is ENTIRELY beside the point.) Actually... you know what? Maybe I am a little too paranoid. I am just trying to put myself in the shoes of an ITT Tech PR person. If I were an amoral atheist as are the top brass at ITT Tech I would plant Judases and start an anti-ITT Tech website so that I could control the information. (For what it is worth everybody... I have examined this website from several locations and it has always been consistently consistent. In other words this website probably appears to me exactly as it appears to you. In other words, if you post something I will be able to read it and you will be able to read whatever I post. In other words, everything is as it appears to be.)

(As far as rewards... Matthew 6:20 comes to mind. But, in all sincerity you have taken me to task and I will, as of this moment, mount a campaign of of constant harassment on enemy interests. Not really. I'm gonna sit here on my ass and wonder aloud, "How are they getting away with this?!?" Kind of joking. Not really.)

My IP address has been temporarily suspended from making edits to Wikipedia. (It was an automatic 24 hour suspension. Just a technicality really.) I am in (what is known as) an edit war over at Wikipedia. Now Wikipedia is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but unfortunately I am the only Wikipedian that knows the extent to which there is a controversy regarding ITT's unethical and/or criminal activities. Some other Wikipedians seem to think that I am blowing the controversy way out of proportion. Anybody who has first hand experience with ITT ESI will know in their heart that for every person that sues there are 999 other victims.

Basically, we need to make the news in multiple localities. (Investigative reports of ITT's unethical recruitment practices have been done before. I even remember seeing one that was uploaded to YouTube. I could really use that URL if you have?) Or you could just go over to Wikipedia and kind of sort maybe but not really be "meat puppets." Don't become Wikipedians because I asked you to. Become Wikipedians because Wikipedia is fr'ckin' awesome. And then... PROFIT!!! (Matthew 6:20 style) But understand, as a Wikipedian your chief concern is not saving people from the clutches of the recruiters nor discrediting ITT Tech.

i have been awake for a very long time. Stay strong.

[zeb_milenko]

Hello all! Zeb here

Just wantedd all of you to know (for some comedy relief), tthat ITT has driven me to drinking way out of my means. I'm at work right now (yes, it's Saturday, and yes I'm working six days a week), and I barely sleep! ITT Tech has taught me how to drink so much, I urinate all over my girlfriend's couch, bed, living room floor, and kitchen floor! Heck, I even drink when I'm AT work!!! I can barely see the scrrerneen and amm finishing the last of my 16 OZ. delight...and jusst to think , I'm working today, (not to menttion tomorrow), all so I can just put a couple bucks towards my Sallie Mae INTEREST... Boy, oh boy I love ITT Tech, it's surely made me realize how small of a penis I have!!!

[SheepToTheFleecing]

Zeb,
For the love of God have some acceptance of the situation. (Until you are dead and in the ground) it could always be worse. Good fucking luck.

[Desert Shadow]

Well i asked you if there was anything you would like to talk about, you guys said something about getting to class and left the breakroom. I thought we were done so i left. I guess just a misunderstanding, we can discuss anything here though.

That's fine just thought it would be better to talk outside.

Dustin, the weird guy in the LRC that always wears a blue shirt and cap? I don't think he even knows what happened, but i made a post about it on this site back in may. What did he say?

Yeah the tall guy sitting at the table across from me is Dustin. He didn't say much other than he remebered you.

The 1 and only thing i miss about ITT (which has nothing to do with ITT at all). The break, me and my friend would go to QT once a class. Sometimes In n Out. The entire QT crew knew us. I don't go to qt that often now lol.

Yeah I usually hit the QT about 7:30 get the 44 oz for a good pick me up.

It was nice to network with fellow site members though and glad we could meet up. Too bad your not in CNS or SAP, i would like to know if a few of those teachers are still there.

I do not know to many professors other than the CJ's and a few of the Gen Ed's.

Since you say your almost done, might as well finish, but for the people who have been there less than a year, cut your loss and get out.

Yep, I will be done in May with the BS in CJ.

I guess the question I wanted to ask not that it matters much now but what is better about the public universities eg ASU or U of A and so forth? I heard alot of horror stories about ASU which combined with me transfering from ITT Birmingham led me to come to ITT Tempe. Another reason was the structure of the CJ program compared to ASU which had a lot of admin class and ITT had an expanded version which I liked a little better.

Another question I have is about the class sizes at the public schools how big are they?. I have heard the public schools have sizes ranging from 200 to 600 and that for me does not work well.

Thanks

[sevenalive]

its very rare class sizes are that big, at max 100-200, but your talking lecture only, then there are lab hours where aids and teachers are sound. It is better to go to a public university, its cheaper, well respected, and credits transfer.
My cousin goes to ASU, he is 27. He has night classes too. I attended a few of his classes, each class was an hour or so long + lab time usually on a different day. There were about 30-50 students in his cad lecture (they were reviewing for the final). At that time they did pass around surveys, so most schools do surveys but they are optional. But they are just passed out and you turn them in whenever, they are anonymous.

You will be done in may, you already did 3 years, might as well stick it out and see where it leads ya. Hopefully it will turn into something.

[aka name]

These 2 guys were in there 30's, now i guess a real college would be weird for them, but i went to 2 community colleges and seen 30 year olds+ adults attending class.

During every semester at both the cc and the university I had at least one class with one or two older students. It was no big deal to anyone and they were not treated differently due to their age.

Otherwise we have no way of knowing that you are not a shill who is only looking to get us to expose ourselves so that you and your goons can neutralize us.

You're joking, right?

Look man, you are the "messiah" of this movement.

Nutball. Seven is not a messiah. He doesn't owe us anything and should sell-out and close the board if ITT refunds his money. He still has to get through school and believe me every dollar counts. The facts regarding scam schools are all over the net at this point, and even though he's a hero and has built the best anti-ITT forum ever, his future comes first.

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What a waste...

[sevenalive]

Well said aka name, well said.

[Desert Shadow]

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What a waste...

I am a waste? wow that is real classy.