Job Posting

[sevenalive]

What the fuck, i was in the LRC where they post job opportunities. Well every time i look in there i get so damn pissed.

Every job posting is either for minimum age as a pizza delivery driver or a tech job that requires 5 years experience and knowledge that itt-tech doesn't even teach.

Here is one from Continental promotion group:
4 year degree in Computer Science
min. 4 years in rdbms production support for mysql
5-7 years experience in creating secyre rdbms (oracle) - ITT Tech has 1 database class that sucks so bad.
Knowelege of Erwin or ER studio, they don't have either on the comptuers.
Qualifications:
MCDBA MCSD certs
3 years sql design
t-sql and ddl scripting - not offered at itt
experience managing a technical team

There is more to the job posting, but WTF!!! All of these postings are pure bullshit. They should be posting entry level jobs, not 7-10 year senior level experience careers.

This is why i hate this fucking pathetic no good mother fucking piece of shit "school" aka corporation.

[aka name]

I think they post these because some students actually have the experience and only attend "itt" to earn a degree. Then once they get the "5-7 years experience" job "itt" can put them in a tv commercial spot cheerfully explaining how the "school" was instrumental in their success.

[MSTie1]

Just got an email from career services: Mid-America Telephone Systems is currently looking to hire multiple people immediately for Help Desk Support. This is a part time position (12-30 hours per week) and pays $10 per hour. Must be available for one of two shifts: Monday and Tuesday or Saturday and Sunday. All degree programs are accepted. This is a terrific opportunity for you to gain some real work experience ---you can work from home --- flexible days and hours. MUST have Broadband connectivity from home. Many of our ITT students already work here and are very happy with the hours, pay rate, and foot-in-the-door experience!!
Please contact Career Services in order to apply!


They're shooting high aren't they??

[sevenalive]

So great to work 18 hours a week for $10 bucks an hour! OMG i could have never done that without ITT!!!

[Monkeymook]

I think they post these because some students actually have the experience and only attend "itt" to earn a degree. Then once they get the "5-7 years experience" job "itt" can put them in a tv commercial spot cheerfully explaining how the "school" was instrumental in their success.

I must say, that's more to the truth than what I am going to show.

These are some emails that I recieve regularly, listing job postings.

First, a career fair:



Quote...
Okay folks…

Let’s put things in perspective.

Rent is due
Power, sewer, HRSD is due
Christmas is 205 days off
Spouse/significant other needs new bling

So……………………………

Career Fair, Thursday, June 5th – Nauticus Center, 11am to 3pm

American Eurocopter, LLC
Anheuser-Busch, Inc. (Are you serious? Suggest a 19-year old to go work for a major beer-brewing franchise?)
ArcelorMittal East Chicago
Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway (Tell me where they got this one!)
CarMax Auto Superstores
Computer Sciences Corporation (Oh boy! I can be a 1337 h4x0r just like Mike Sandy!)
Corporate Results, Inc. (McKean Defense)
Defense Nuclear Facilities Safety Board
Department of Veteran Services
Duke Energy Corporation
L-3 GSI
Lear Siegler Services, inc
Lockheed Martin Corporation (Support corporate greed and political influence for the controlling markets!)
Military Sealift Command
National Oilwell Varco (Help support the nation's ecenomical crisis and war for oil!)
Raytheon
Schlumberger
Transocean Offshore Deepwater Drilling Inc.
TSI - Executive Consulting
U.S. Border Patrol ----------------------------
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services---I'm certified to keep illegal aliens off our border, all thanks to ITT Tech!
US Border Patrol-------------------------------/
Varian Medical Systems
Walgreens (WUT?)
Westinghouse Electric Co
Woodmen of the World
Unquote...


There was another email I recieved about how to get the job "you really want".
Here were some of my thoughts:

"You're less than perfect...In fact, according to a survey by our company, 47 percent of executives polled said a single typo on a résumé could eliminate a candidate from consideration or a job opening. Ask another person to review your application materials before you submit them."

Why is is it that companies will hire people who have flawless résumés and who can flat out lie to them about what their "best qualities" are, but will completely reject the guy who is a hard worker witha good ethic, but has problems with his résumé? Why don't companies have "training sessions" for applicants? I don't think it's that hard. Hell, at Grade A Studios, we do it FOR FREE. We accept no money, just what we earn from fundraisers. Our applicants go through a screening process finding what they are best in. They are almost automatically guaranteed to get in anyway, but we find what they are best in so we know what would be a good addition to help other members.



I wish I would have kept some of the older emails from ITT. They were asking for entry-level graduates with 5-6 years experience using tools the school didn't have, nor would get, required that you have certifications in various fields (including ones that were totally irrelevant), and were in states that students could not afford to travel to. Many of us are not that well off. Getting a car is hard enough, and gas is even harder to afford. Many students at my college have had to go into the Navy, Air Force, and Military (two of them got shipped to Iraq, one died) so that they can get the experience they needed to land the jobs ITT offered.

What ITT does not realize is that many students from 17-20 are not ready to go into the workforce at such a great magnitude.

Personally, I don't have the greatest "people" skills, but I can communicate effectively. You would have to know me personally to know what I mean. I swear a little too much, and I have no tolerance for bullshit, lies, and indecisiveness.

From what the economy looks like, it seems like large companies can hire students for the same price that they can hire adults. Students are expected to act like adults. They're not. They're students.

Ah well, I guess I'm going to support ITT's ethics. Not.

But I am going to put in an application for a $13 hr Tech Support Call Center.

Yes, it came from ITT.

[KuJoe]

I was actually surprised to find people in my classes attending ITT and didn't already have 2-3 jobs lined up afterwards. Relying on somebody else to find you a job is asking for trouble. I actually don't plan on leaving my current job after I graduate, but I already have 2 other job offers at other, albeit smaller, companies from the connections I've built at ITT.

[Monkeymook]

I get better offers of jobs from people I go to campus with, rather than from "Career Services". All I got from them was:

http://www.indeed.com
http://www.superpages.com

[sevenalive]

lol or the occasional. 4 year degree + 5 years experience Required!!!

[KuJoe]

See that's the problem with any school though. I went to other colleges around me and they were pretty much all the same. In the world of IT it goes like this: Experience > Ceritifcates > Education. Experience will always outweigh education but most places won't give you that first interview without any piece of paper saying you know something.

[sevenalive]

No you need to look again. You can work tech support at any company with no degree making 12 bucks an hour.

If you want a real job like software development, then most employers and jobs require 4 year BS degree from an ACCREDITED University, not technical college. They also want MSSQL, MySql, experience of doing Nth Tier apps, and a bunch of other stuff ITT Tech doesn't even cover even though it should.

Read job listings for godaddy, google, intel, microsoft, charles schwab, dell, bungie, and any other place.

If your in CNS, you need to learn VPN and Corporate Firewall security, Linux Administration, MySql Database, know how to make an ethernet cable, imaging and OS deployment, server architecture and design, and the list goes on. They don't teach any of that. Linux class is a joke, the database class is theory you touch access once, WHO IN THE FUCK USES ACCESS. They don't even teach you how to make ethernet cable, and YES U NEED TO KNOW HOW.

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I was in SAP, didn't learn anything at all, partly because i already knew it. I ended up teaching the class, i ended up doing other people's final project because they didn't understand how to do it. I ended up explaining to the class why Visual Basic SUCKS ASS and teaches BAD PROGRAMMING and CONFUSES students.

[KuJoe]

Heh, now I see why it was a bad idea for me to post. Sorry for being such a pain.

[sevenalive]

The problem is that your taking a defensive side to ITT Tech, when you have no reason to be nor you should be. I am/we are just trying to help people. Your ignoring the facts and posting nonsense (come on loophole to credits thing, don't think so).

You are new to ITT, you will realize that is a scam and you will be disappointed. You like most of the other students tend not to see it until the first year is complete. I recently contacted a guy who was defending itt tech much like you. I sent him an email, which was pretty funny and rude asking wtf is wrong with his brain. He wrote back to be that he figured it out and he wrote that when he first started and that he dropped out by the end of his first year.

(read the thread "I pity the fools"). What i don't like is that i provide a truthful, factual argument and people refuse to listen and think about it. If you like itt tech, that's fine, its your 40K + interest. I am confident that you will figure it out soon enough. Timing is everything, save 35K, or 12K, the choice is yours.

[aka name]

I was actually surprised to find people in my classes attending ITT and didn't already have 2-3 jobs lined up afterwards. Relying on somebody else to find you a job is asking for trouble. I actually don't plan on leaving my current job after I graduate, but I already have 2 other job offers at other, albeit smaller, companies from the connections I've built at ITT.

Too stupid to be real.

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[MSTie1]

"If your in CNS, you need to learn VPN and Corporate Firewall security, Linux Administration, MySql Database, know how to make an ethernet cable, imaging and OS deployment, server architecture and design, and the list goes on. They don't teach any of that. Linux class is a joke, the database class is theory you touch access once, WHO IN THE FUCK USES ACCESS. They don't even teach you how to make ethernet cable, and YES U NEED TO KNOW HOW."


Just to clarify we've made ethernet cable in just about every class I've been in. (In CNS) We've also made coax, and were shown how to do fiber. Although the fact that you weren't shown doesn't make sense since the classes are *supposed* to be the same at every campus....

[Cattle Mutilation]

You guys all need to treat KuJoe with respect. He's having a decent experience thus far, and has already stated that he is attending classes so that he may obtain a higher paying position at a company he already works for. Attending ITT Tech may not have been a bad idea for him. There is no reason to treat him the way you are. You all have legitimate gripes with the school, but acting like that will not make people join your cause.