Top 5 reasons NOT to attend ITT Tech’s criminal justice prog

[aka name]

Title: Top 5 reasons NOT to attend ITT Tech’s criminal justice program
Date: April 18, 2006
Author: Jim Greenberg
[The details of each reason are in the article itself - I edited the snippet below so all five reasons were listed here.]

There are five major reasons that should dissuade you from attending an online criminal justice program offered by ITT Tech. They are:
1. Accreditation: [...]
2. Under Justice Department investigation: [...]
3. Under SEC investigation: [...]
4. High Cost: [...]
5. Quality of teaching: [...]

Source: http://www.articlecity.com/articles/edu ... _598.shtml

[sevenalive]

LOL i love the headlines themselves, ill read the article later, i gotta work in 1/2 hour.

[Hatuey10]

ITT criminal Justice Program 0_o?!? The real criminals is Salie Mae and ITT Tech!!!

[enigma9]

Hi

I am new to this and am currently A criminal justice student at ITT. I have to say that I am learning more that I would if I went to a University. I am in Arizona and if I went to ASU the classes would be large and by next spring would be even larger due to ASU releasing 200 plus teachers, now some of the classes will have close to 1000 students in it. Tell me how can one learn when classes are so big? I have known many with a degree from ITT and have gotten great careers. The instructors are all experienced in their field and have great insight on the subject. Of course there are issues as with every college, the big one is financial aid, I personally have not had any issues there. My friend has been having many issues at ASU over the past few years. But what makes ITT so different from any other college? Someone compared ITT to Harvard or Yale. Well those 2 schools are very prestigious and only select few attend there and most likely come from money. I bet I have learned more at ITT then if I attended a University. All the classes are related to the program that I am in, classes are small and I get the personal attention that I need. I had 36 transfer credits which is more than I thought would transfer. They are strict on attendance and I think they should be even tougher. If you miss 3 weeks in a row you will be dropped. Yes life happens but some choose not to show just because. If you were at a University classes are so big attendance is not even a factor so you can miss many classes and the teacher would not even notice. Like any school show up, do the work and you will pass. What people do not realize is that these classes are for adults not recent high school graduates.

[aka name]

Hi

I am new to this and am currently A criminal justice student at ITT. I have to say that I am learning more that I would if I went to a University. I am in Arizona and if I went to ASU the classes would be large and by next spring would be even larger due to ASU releasing 200 plus teachers, now some of the classes will have close to 1000 students in it. Tell me how can one learn when classes are so big? I have known many with a degree from ITT and have gotten great careers. The instructors are all experienced in their field and have great insight on the subject. Of course there are issues as with every college, the big one is financial aid, I personally have not had any issues there. My friend has been having many issues at ASU over the past few years. But what makes ITT so different from any other college? Someone compared ITT to Harvard or Yale. Well those 2 schools are very prestigious and only select few attend there and most likely come from money. I bet I have learned more at ITT then if I attended a University. All the classes are related to the program that I am in, classes are small and I get the personal attention that I need. I had 36 transfer credits which is more than I thought would transfer. They are strict on attendance and I think they should be even tougher. If you miss 3 weeks in a row you will be dropped. Yes life happens but some choose not to show just because. If you were at a University classes are so big attendance is not even a factor so you can miss many classes and the teacher would not even notice. Like any school show up, do the work and you will pass. What people do not realize is that these classes are for adults not recent high school graduates.

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[enigma9]

I have seen the links that were given and I take whatever is on the internet with a grain of salt when it comes to feedback. Many may think that at ITT you can easily skate by, that is not the case. Many who drop out are bitter because its not as easy as they thought. the feedback is only as good as the person who writes it. they have no credibility.They are angry because they actually have to attend and do work. I have learned a great deal from there and I would not have learned that much from a University with classes of 100 plus students. Again these are adult courses not for High school graduates who want to party. Most people on this site seem bitter. Perhaps they were denied entry or just did not attend classes and blame the failure on the school.

[aka name]

[...] Many may think that at ITT you can easily skate by,
[...] not as easy as they thought.
[...]they have no credibility.
[...]They are angry because they actually have to attend and do work.
[...]Perhaps they were denied entry

Sir, your mindset is so wrong I don't know where to begin. I have been to ITT (two "degrees"), a community college, and a top 50 university (one real engineering degree) and the difference between ITT and the latter two are broad and deep. Claiming that ITT is some how the same or better than a university is like applying for a medical board examination after watching ten seasons of ER and expecting to pass - "I learn a lot more from watching television - no big classes and snobby professors to hamper my education."

Have you read what myself, Seven ALive, ttobba, and others have written on this board? The people here want an education not an easy ride.

[sevenalive]

So you say your in Arizona, well i traced you to Scottsdale, AZ.

My bet, this guy is probably one of the staff from the ITT Campus here, infact now they have 2 here.

Well i am in Arizona as well, could we meet so i can see in person you really exist?

[ttobba]

I left ITT for many reasons. One of which was not failure. I was a 4.0 at ITT. I left cause it was too easy and one of the teachers informed me to leave because with an ITT degree u can't get a job above entry level. According to ITT's own career services ITT has between 5-10% job placement that requires the degree and according to US Bureau of Labor Statistics the average public university has a little above 65%. Here at Iowa State u are required to have a PhD in the subject u are teaching besides English dept. They require a masters. But fall09 English will require PhD. At ITT, all u need is to work in the field. U don't need a college degree. They only people in my ITT that I had respect for were the 2 math teachers I had cause they actually cared and graded harshly. One even has a masters. But those are the only ones that cared. Only half of the teacher I had went to college.

[enigma9]

First off Seven I have no problem meeting you in person.
*Edit* It's SEVEN not Steve
Second My time there thus far has been a great experience, the CJ program has improved since I have been attending. Not only do the instructors have great experience in the field but they also possess masters degrees. I admit that I have had instructors that did not know what they were talking about, and those that I had were released after the qtr. I have been to Universities and community colleges. I have found that even some of those teacher have not a clue either. The classes being bigger at a University does not help me none. I am one of those who like small classes so I can ask the questions that I need and get the help that I want. For example math: I am not good and never will be, that was actually the longest qtr of my life because math sucks, I got a D on my first two tests and I was frustrated, I was getting some of it but not all of it, I got tutoring twice a week and my grades in math went up and I pulled a B out of it. The teacher was able to give time to explain the formulas in better detail if needed, at for example ASU most likely would not have happened due to the large class size and they will only get bigger by next spring. A couple quarters attendance became more strict, I would love to see it even more strict along with others. Late assignments if taken will have 20% taken off and then a zero if missed again. Of course there are acceptions, for example my Grandfather passed away in February I missed a week of classes but got full credit for my assignments. If the school is as bad as you make it out to be then we would not have guest speakers from the DEA, Police departments, etc. Also The CIA, FBI, and others would not recruit from ITT. We also have very respectable people on our CJ advisory board such as, a supreme court judge, retired FBI, and I believe someone from the DOC, there are at least 8 but cannot remember all the positions. We have someone from Mesa PD that is gonna come in to talk to us and even become an instructor.

No school is perfect and I know many who do not like the university they are attending. about 5 years ago some of my friends were attending major universities, and they have encountered many of the same problems and more. I have nothing against Universities some are great some are not, but I know for a fact and I have been told that the degree is only as good as you are, now there are companies that may not hire even from major universities that could be depending on the degree. For example I know of a few who will not hire students who graduated from ASU with a degree in education because the graduates that she had been getting From ASU with that degree don't know anything. However she may hire from ASU with another degree for a different position. Many students who go to major universities party for the first 2 years and are usually late for class or sleep through it god knows how many times because attendance is not really a factor, it could be for smaller classes. Or some show up sign in and leave because they do not want to sit through a long lecture everyday and take pages and pages of notes.

I am not familiar with the instructor Stan I believe is his name he smokes a pipe. Which brings me to a certain instructor I had in Econ and Change. The instructor I had was great he has 2 masters and knew what he was talking about. 5 people failed his class because some just did the assignments half ass or not at all and some of those showed up every class. From what I have observed and I say this coming from the CJ program is that our instructors a very knowledgeable and make us think outside the box, we have great discussions and are very hands on with learning. We can ask our instructors anything and they have a knowledgeable answer.

I have learned so much from the great instructors in CJ. I have also noticed more students failing or getting lower grades due to late or missed assignments and attendance.

I know I have talked about a number of different subjects but I had a lot to say

[enigma9]

one more comment. Over the years before I even went back to college at all, not all credits even from a major college transfer to another major college. I have a few friends that transferred from state to state and even in state from U of A to ASU and they all had to take most of the classes over again. One of my friends recently transferred fro Grand Canyon University to ASU and she pretty much had to take everything over again. So its not easy to transfer credits fro University to University

[sevenalive]

Do you go to the tempe campus

Also The CIA, FBI, and others would not recruit from ITT.

How do you know they do this, did ITT tell you?

now some of the classes will have close to 1000 students in it.

Total bullshit, have you even been to ASU, i have, there isn't even a room that can fit 300 seats.

Late assignments if taken will have 20% taken off and then a zero if missed again.

No they don't mark you down, you can turn in the assignments on the last day and still get 100% credit. Just because someone tells you or someone writes it on paper doesn't mean it happens. Kind of like a car lot, Sticker price is not what you pay.

Perhaps they were denied entry or just did not attend classes and blame the failure on the school.

ITT accepts everything, even a monkey can get in.

The way you write and the way you defend itt makes me think your just another one of those PR guys. Hell since your living in snobsdale, your probably the dean or director since they get paid commission for bringing in students. Infact ITT is a car lot, salesman and everyone working their needs buyers so they get comission. They don't care if the car is too expensive, or mechanically damaged. They want the sale, once they got it, they wipe their hands.

Also i could of swore you said you were taking online classes instead of going.

Do you remember that econ teachers name? Was he a new yorker dude possibly jewish. Did he have a fascination with Perfume and Selling houses as a Realtor/paper salesman. I remember my teacher said he taught at ASU and had 2 masters, that guys was full of shit.

I would love to meet you, just so i can really have proof someone is so blind. PM me, will can meet at the tempe, az campus

[ttobba]

here at ISU u can choose large class vs small class. The largest class is 297 students because the largest classroom is 300 seats. I prefer bigger classes because u don't have all the micro management assignments such as a 5 question daily assignments. We have 25000 undergrad students. and 11000 grads. 297 students is not much vs the amount of students attending. The people that complain about of the university are the ones who are partying every night and failing classes cause they failed to prepare and were not meant for a higher education. ITT Tech's level of education is on par with early high school which is why I left. All they were teaching were stuff that I learn my freshman through junior year. There is a reason why ITT credits will NOT transfer and that is because they are not to the level of education as any non-profit public university or community college. I admit I did not do research to begin with and that is my fault but don't u even dare compare ITT's education to that of a University or a community college.

[enigma9]

I have been there and personally spoken to when the CIA, FBI, CIA, and a number of PD's and even the Sheriffs department have come in to talk to the CJ students or have a recruiting seminar. We have had field trips to both the Chandler and Mesa PD crime labs. I do remember the teacher he was from Boston, never talked about selling houses or perfume everything was econ related but he made class interesting. As for assignments they have recently cracked down some of the students are not happy that they can not hand in late work anymore with little or no credit. ASU classes will be getting bigger that is not Bull shit if you have been listening to the news, ASU is making budget cuts and will be releasing 200 teachers who do not have tenure, ASU west has already started knocking down walls to make room for the lager classes, typically the larger classes are in an auditorium, believe me I have a friend who is in her senior year and has a few hundred in a lecture hall. I am not an employee for ITT I am a student. No I am taking no classes online and will not, I hate online classes.
Meeting you might be fine but all you seem to do is blast everyone for attending ITT, I am not dumb as you may think, I have learned a lot and the instructors I have in the CJ program are excellent, I can' speak for your program but whatever happened to you obviously made you angry. Remember not every school is perfect and not every instructor is great. But something has you angry

[sevenalive]

The best job you might get would be a police officer, corrections officer, or border patrol. All do not require a degree.

That economy teacher i had could have been from boston, either that or newyork. In that case your fool of it. That guy talked about perfume, yelling at stores for having to many employees, selling paper, and being a realitor. He said he taught at ASU, why in the hell you would leave ASU to go to ITT. I talked to a teacher, Forgot his name but he teaches java and VB, he knew what ITT was. ITT Teachers don't even make 35K, he was living in a studio apartment, he doesn't even have a computer at home. Thats how shitty ITT pays for their education providers.

I think you need to wake up and smell the ashes, really open your eyes. A lot of people are blind to it for about a year, then they start to see how ITT really is. The reason why ASU has to take cuts, state cut its funding. The economy is in the shitter right now. What is ITT doing? Raising tuition, now its 44K for a 2 year degree. ASU less than 20K gets you a 4 year REAL degree. ASU is making cuts, trimming the fat, they don't want to raise tuition. Whats ITT doing? Raising tuition, having shitty BBQ's and spending money on Commercials to sucker more people.

Why do you feel the need to stick up for a company, your a customer, not a student. Remember that.