Re: Sour Grapes Are Funny

[sevenalive]

I graduated with honors

- Thats what ever PR or someone supporting ITT Tech says. Honors? There isn't any honor's classes at ITT. I have looked at what "Honors" means to them, basically if you have a C or better your Honors.

I had to hire another student to take my smaller projects from me so I could pursue the bigger stuff. All with an Associates.

- What? I can already tell you have a big ego, but in reality you aren't shit.

ITT didn't screw you, YOU screwed you. If you show up ready to learn, they put the material in front of you. I had books, I had computers. The instructors were so-so, some were terrible, some were outstanding (Mr. Michalski <3), who cares? I wasn't there for the instructors, I was there for me.

You obviously have no idea what education is. You also seem to have an affection for a teacher, a weird and probably inappropriate one.

ITT Tech works (they DO have their problems), in spite of it all. Surprise! Other schools have their good and bad points, too.

I agree, ITT does work. They target minorities, low income, and students who got c's, d's and f's in school. For those students, ITT may seem like a dream, and they might not care if they are getting scammed. As far as i can tell, the users on here expected ITT to be a real school, a school with academic standards who focused on today's technology and orientated their degrees to them. But we were lied to and scammed for 40/80 grand, as someone put it "I got a 40 thousand dollar book collection" - That is exactly right.

I'm sure plenty of you are nice enough people, but I HATE the new American culture of blame. Nothing is my fault, it's all someone else. Bullshit.

It is true we signed the papers w/o reading them thoroughly, we were young and naive. We are not at fault for the lies they sold us. Now recently i read the paperwork again and i am amazed i didn't get the fuck out of their then and there, i guess i didn't read it really or didn't pay attention, or didn't understand.

Before I went to ITT, I did have a lot of generalized computer knowledge, but you know what I did for a living? I built houses. I had to carry fucking plywood and do all that sawing and hammering... it was bullshit. I'm writing this from my own office at a client site. Ahh, air conditioning.

You make good money building houses (if you did the framework, and your not a journeyman). So your on the job on someone else's place on this site telling us ITT is great? Now that sentence doesn't even make sense. How can you have an office at a client site?

We are not spreading lies, what we say is the truth. We are discussing our experiences and stories about ITT. That is the truth, we post FACTS and OPINIONS. Most of our opinions are pretty much fact too. We also have professional articles on the site to backup what we are saying.

Your right, your going to be labeled a PR person, because your not being rational and most of your argument doesn't make sense. Am i going to ban you, well we will see. I would like to get the member's to take a stab at ya.

I would agree 50% of the "students" who go to ITT tech, don't give a shit and they want a job handed to them or they think ITT is the greatest thing. However the other 50% actually did well in School, thought ITT was actually a good school (talk to employers and other people and ask them what they think of ITT, They will likely tell ya its a SCAM or something along those lines), we believed the teachers had real degree's and experience, we believed grades mean't something, we believed we would learn something we didn't already know.

I didn't learn anything i didn't already know, since i was in programming and have been programming for 4 years, maybe that's a bit different for me. I am sure someone who didn't know anything could have learned a few things, but most of the people in my classes didn't understand C++ or Java and were doubting if they want to be a programmer. I believe if you wanna be a programmer than you already know how to program, it requires active thinking and being logical, to self learn and solve problems. In fact most programmers out in the field today learned on their own, like me (everything i know i learned on my own and with the help of the internet).

So don't make assumptions about us. It's funny, anyone who sticks up for ITT makes the same argument (your lazy, didn't attend), you know the classic PR Bullshit. You say your a current ITT student, but then you seem to give off that you aren't. Around the first year at ITT, most of the 50% pop. figures out what ITT really is, and stops being blind about their experience. They soon realize what a corporate snake ITT Tech is capable of. That's when they take back everything they said defending ITT (like the guy i contacted).

[sevenalive]

Another thing, Chris Baker (CBaker, could also be a standard PR account), if you love ITT so damn much, why come to this site looking for negative criticism on ITT and defend them. If that doesn't smell PR, then your kidding us both.

BTW, PLEASE tell us what youtube video we supposedly commented on, as far as i know the only ITT videos on youtube are negative ones, except for that one of the graduating class, where the poster is so full of shit i can smell him from here.

[sevenalive]

You lack maturity for you being 28, your rebuttals are flawed and you even admit you didn't learn shit from the "school".

If your doing so great, then why are you wasting time on this site telling people you are doing great, sounds to me your in the same boat as the rest of us and you are just denying it. You got a big ego problem.

You also keep switching off, you work for a company, you now own a company, Which is it?

I got the fuck out of the scam and i am glad, i wish i would have never signed up, there were circumstances on why i did. I am now going to a respected and real school. ITT Tech is a lazy-ass diploma mill where you pay 40K to listen to teachers complain and get shitty books that are not even used by any other school. Lets not forget about Credits, if you were to go to a real school you would have to start over, which i guess isn't bad since you don't learn anything at ITT anyway.

You are complaining that we are complaining, don't you see the problem there? Take your own advice then.

So if your doing so damn great, post your Job Title and Your salary (and lets be honest and realistic) Hell even give me the company phone number so i can verify. Making 30-40K isn't shit, i make that w/o a degree.
My guess is that your working as Tech Support for some company.

BTW, Fortran SUCKS, and if you happened to mean 4chan, then no wonder your immature, that place is a fucking dipshit retard paradise where nobody gets laid.

[sevenalive]

You got some serious issues. Your getting pissed off because we don't like ITT Tech and we want to inform people. Do i believe you about your job? No not for a second. You went there for a shitty AAS degree, which isn't even real btw.

The only reason i mentioned 4chan is because your the type of person that would go there.

I am seriously fighting not to ban you, your ignorance, self-righteous attitude, and complete lack of comprehension is what pisses me off. Then again your just some douchebag on the internet, i can care less of what you think of us, you got no idea who we are. We are not slackers, losers, or any other immature statement you have made.

Do you feel that you got 40K worth of an "education" from ITT, from your own words i would say you don't.
So you claim you drive around to sites to check on people actually working, lol funniest thing i read today.
Then you say you went for CNS, but your programming, so your not even using the degree.
If you don't like this site, then why do you keep coming back? Arguing over the internet is pointless. Oh and BTW, i am on the dev team of 4 open source programs, i lead 2 of them. I work on Azureus and i did some work on eMule. So you don't know me and you don't know my members. Your being an irrational ignorant dipshit to be quite frank. You claim all of these things, if they are true then good for you, but i guarantee ITT did not help in any of it. Then again if your claims are true, you wouldn't be on here.

I really doubt anything you say, especially your age (lack of maturity again). Sure i can make up a life too, but that doesn't mean its real. Your just sulking in your basement while you eat and sleep getting fatter by the day.
Apparently my lawyers agree with me on all points, that is why we are in a class action lawsuit, hmm i don't think there would be one if something wasn't seriously wrong.

Your defense for ITT is amusing, your getting nothing out of it, ITT wouldn't do a god damn thing for you, so why even bother. I guess your also a company man, one that will stick by the company until they fuck you over good. It doesn't pay to be loyal, unless your a PR person.

Stop this stupid tirade you got going here or i will ban you. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, so stop insulting me and my members.

[toddieboy777]

dude the only explanation for you writing so much on this site is that your pr and you said you had no problem finding a job if you started your own company that means you wouldn't have to look for a job you make no since i had a 4.0 when i went there too its not that hard to get good grades at itt i had a 3.0 in high school so why would i have a 4.0 in college isn't college supposed to be harder me and my dad did the math and did you you know you could have went to the university of Michigan for what you paid for itt but u of m probably wouldn't accept someone a dumb as you

[sevenalive]

Ok 1 thing, for some reason you think i failed at ITT or something? Well no, i had A's in the classes, which it's very easy to get A's. Let's be honest they are handed to you weather you do the work or not. I guess you didn't read my post "Attention Members", where i explained on that day that I got kicked out of the school because they found out about this site. You see corporate hires PR's to spread false stories and testimonials about the "school" and to subvert any negativity. So when they found out about it, they found out who i was, which honestly is pretty easy, and they found out about my friend (former admin DVD, i don't know how they found out who he was.) my guess since we were on the site a bit during free times and labs, someone told the administration and they found out about it.

Anyway, they tried to get me to shut it off, calling me a liar and saying i have no right to have this web site. They then proceeded to kick me and my friend out of the school.

Now why don't we take a look back at this post, YOU came here and immediately started insulting everyone here and that's what led to this whole thing.
Unlike your 1 line post about a teacher in which i made a smart ass comment on.

Everyone who agrees with YOU is entitled to an opinion, you mean

You haven't given anything related to ITT still, there have been no posts in any of the sections talking about classes or shit like that.
One of our members KuJoe happens to like ITT (well for the time being, we will see). I talked to him about a few issues in which he responded. He is welcome here, everyone is welcome here.
The focus on this website is to "Read, Share, and Discuss your experiences and thoughts about ITT Tech". That is the official position of this web site. Yes it is generally negative, but not all of it. As we provide good comments and stories about our experiences, you should too.

[KuJoe]

Either way you look at it, arguing doesn't help at all. People coming her for both good and bad experiences won't be using a thread filled with arguing as a basis for their future decisions... at least I hope not.

[kayot]

Have you IP traced TheMule? Personally he/she is trying too hard. When my MP3 player works I don't usually leave feedback, more than not would I stand around debating it. If my education worked out, I would be playing games or programming in my free time. I wouldn't go looking for sites that are related to but not connected as pieces to that service.

shill (plural shills)
1. A person paid to endorse a product favorably, while pretending to be impartial.
2. An accomplice at a confidence trick during an auction or gambling game.

TheMule, put up your degree with transcripts and proof of employment with a paycheck stubb. Feel free to block account data and social. If you do that, your position will be heavily defended. It's a lot, I know. But it will put an end to this argument.

If you do prove your side, hook me up with a good job in Cincinnati. 100+ apps out and no call backs. 21 interviews and all ended at the ITT degree.

[sevenalive]

Ya i traced the IP, infact he used to of them. One in Rockford and one in Grand Rapids, MI.
I know what your saying, people don't go Hey No problems with my cell phone its great! or anything like that. They usually take the time to complain. Now i wish there was an ip database where i can look up ITT Tech campuses IP's.
In fact maybe we ought to start one, ill make a stickied post in the announcements section where you can post the campus ip.

Anyway here is a google maps link to his campus, look at the review. SO FAKE
In fact the majority of the PR work ITT did was in 2005, mostly in November. If you google search and find someone praising ITT, most likely it has that date. Infact most of the reviews given on ratemyprofessors.com for all the ITT Tech teachers were mostly done in nov 05.

[kayot]

There is an IP database, but it's for torrenters. It helps avoid MPAA and RIAA traps. Couple that with a Proxy and your sailing on glass leaving an ether trail thats move voided then inverse proportional of strings withing a tea spoon of neutrons. I don't proxy because it slows me down. Drop the condom so it feels better? Sometimes being safe isn't fun.

Just block all proxys, that will block any PR without killing an IP. Your not restricting access, your simply forcing everyone to play with an unstacked deck, my torrent client refuses connections from proxys + known BAD IPS.

Oh, and don't expect a reply to this thread from TheMule tonight, it's not between 9am to 5pm, his work hours XD

[sevenalive]

Oh i don't plan on blocking IP's at all. In fact i encourage people to visit the site while in class on campus! That is where most of my greatest posts came from, or good ideas for posts. What's really funny, the Tempe Campus blocked this site on campus. LOL, you did read the post "I got kicked out of ITT" in the announcements section right, ahh good stuff i wish i recorded that damn conversation. 1.5 years of holding all of that in and i let it out on them. They called me a liar and that pissed me off, that's when i just went off and didn't stop. My friend was out in the lobby and could see me, he thought i wouldn't be in there for more than 1 minute, he was laughing.

[KuJoe]

WTH? Was your experience that terrible that anything that smiles must be lying? Unless they are crying, cursing, or bleeding they are wrong? Having to prove you're not a robot to a forum full of 20 year olds with pictures? This site has reached a new low.

[kayot]

Do it with a digital camera over carpet with one quarter off to the right for size comparison. Make sure the documents are at an angle in conjunction with each other. That pretty much iron clads it.

I was wondering, why are you defending ITT so heavily? Your not enrolled anymore. Of course when I was enrolled I defended it, dam I was such a fool. Ever since then, I've researched everything before doing what ever it is to avoid scams. I guess ITT did teach me something.

[Monkeymook]

That is true. I never read anything I signed because it was all too fucking complicated. I have trouble learning about interest and rates and money in general.

Now I look at everything that goes through my hands.

In my book, where I'm at, ITT sucks, but the students don't. We all know our shit, we just don't have a fucking clue. That's why we're there.

[KuJoe]

The point is to let visitors know that not all experiences with ITT are bad ones. I guess some of us are more lucky than others.